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  1975—Were You Affected By What 1975 Was Supposed to Bring?

  by minimus in

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  for years , we were told to wait until 1975!.

  the end was coming and we better be ready—or else!.

  were you around during this “momentous “ time??

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  I wasn't even a twinkle thought in my mother's mind. It would still be billions and billions of probabilities that my mom would decided to go to a convention not in her circuit just for fun, and by the same token my dad would also go to a different convention, and by some freaking chance, they bumped into each other and started talking. For some crazy reason they decided to stay n touch and many years later they got together and on a certain night, at a certain time, out of nowhere, I came into existence. And by the time I came out of my mother's womb, 1975 was over two decades in past history. All I know is 1975 has something to do with my parents, but not really sure what all the fuss is about.
  
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  Of Kingdumb Clubs Fading and Reappearing

  by Hairtrigger in

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  here’s a thought for debate.. the eight think tanks ( and i’m speaking seriously) are selling off kingdom halls by the score!

  inconveniencing hall.

  goers everywhere.

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  I believe in overlapping

  You are talking about a different group of jws born in. I was born in and just started my 20s. I figured out about 5 years ago that the WT was a bunch of crap, I'm not alone, most of those my age figured out the same thing. I'm still considered a witness yet I haven't contributed anything, not a penny for five years, and don't plan to.

  I seriously doubt that 30 years from now when I hit 50 the WT will even exist. Maybe a little religion like the bible students with about 40 or 50k members. It would be just too embarrassing to be going to a building called a kingdom hall, whether to build or attend, who has been known for predicting that the last days started in 1914, and still building kingdom halls with that idea still alive in the year 2050.

  I know there will always be gullible people, but there will never ever be another 8-10 million gullible people believing their "Watchtower is God's Organization" - bullshit.
  
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  I Saw An Elder Yesterday Who Told Me 3 Area Kingdom Halls Were Being Dissolved

  by minimus in

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  he said they read the letter to the congregation and were told the kh would be disbanded.

  2 other halls in the area were slated for closure.

  he said many people in the congregation began crying.

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  He said he was viewing this as an exciting time and looked forward to a new situation

  It will be real exciting once there are no more Kingdom Hall meetings to attend.
  
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  How Effective Are Anti-JW Internet Sites?

  by minimus in

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  i think that once you get on the internet and you see evidence that shows jehovah’s witnesses do not have the real truth, it can jolt you.

  but i don’t think simply going on an internet site typically changes a person’s direction—even if the information is very damning toward the witnesses.

  i think it takes time to eventually get out.

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  I spend most of my time in exjw reddit. About a week ago we got 1000 new subscribers in 36 hours. We are almost reaching 30k subscribers. A lot of the new subscribers relate that they been visiting the site from weeks to about a year and that the site is what helped them wake up. So yes, they do help, but the time varies with each individual. Also circumstances affect the waking up process. JW family still in vs single with non-jw family. In for many years vs in for just a few years. Old timers vs the young generation. There are a lot of variables that affect the waking up process and also a lot of different mind-set personalities.
  
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  New releases at annual meeting??

  by _Morpheus in

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  this has been mentioned in passing but it seems to deserve its own thread.. this year at the rc, no releases.

  instead they wait to drop them at the annual meeting which isnt a even simulcast event.

  what is their thinking?

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  Anyway it's no big deal when the new junk is released!!!!

  Db, your missing the point. It IS a big deal, but only because its when they choose to release it.

  I cant buy the editing excuse. They have 50+ years of practice with this. They know how to edit and prepare books for rc release dates.

  And again the money thing dosent wash either. They already were not releasing hard copies at conventions. This is a weird weird move.

  Morpheus, you would make one hell of a prosecutor, I would hate to have you trying me for some crime. You just keep digging until all the shit comes out.
  
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  It's a shame isn't it?

  by freddo in

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  ... that this forum, which is such an amazing resource for those needing support for their journey from watchtower's clutches has an increasingly present representation of unreasoning politically charged loudmouths..

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  It's a shame isn't it?

  that this forum, which is such an amazing resource

  for those needing support for their journey from Watchtower's clutches

  has an increasingly present representation of unreasoning politically charged loudmouths.

  
  

  No it's not a shame. This site is not responsible for supporting any JW's who leave the organization, no one is responsible for another's mistake Except themselves.

  Those that leave the organization have to man-up and learn to deal with life and quit being such babies. I was raised in the organization, father an elder and mother a pioneer for years. I never bought into that stuff and swam against the current for years. Now my parents don't attend the meetings. I didn't need this place or any other place to support me, heck, I deal with life on my own.

  I come here for entertainment. If there wasn't any debates and "Drama" I wouldn't visit this place. Like when Morpheus and Slim go at it about the organization dying or NOT..

  Or when Cofty starts on the subject of evolution and someone like Nimble duck jumps in and calls him on it. You know, without these heated debates and a bit of name calling, people like me wouldn't be interested enough to keep reading the posts and the result would be that we wouldn't pursue any research on our own and come to our own conclusions. We would stay ignorant on several subjects.
  

  Or when the subject of Trump comes up.I love to hear the different views especially since I don't spend much time trying to figure out stuff about Trump.I have no idea if he is doing good or bad for the country. I come here to get both sides of the story and usually under all the bull, there are several that post some good reasonable, logical arguments that I was unaware.
  

  There are a lot of websites that I visit, Non-exjw and some exjw.I don't visit exjw website because I need someone to change my diaper cause Watchtower won't change it anymore. I visit from time to time to learn. Some of the posts are pretty educational.
  

  Don't baby the JWs, or feel sorry for them. There's plenty of information out there from secular sources besides exjw sites. Maybe the old generation needed exjws to hold their hand as they exited the Watchtower, but young ones like me don't need anyone to hold our hands.If you have to baby someone out of the WT organization, maybe you need to let them grow up a bit and they will eventually exit on their own and do fine, with or without exjw sites.
  
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  BS stories in the publications

  by Billzfan23 in

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  2. beliefs

  this is an example of a story that just strikes me as funny from their publications:.

  "wilson, a christian from ghana, was notified that in a few days, he would be fired from his job.

  on his final day at work, he was assigned to wash the private car of the managing director of the company.

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  He went from being laid off (and washing the cars of executives) to being a "senior member of the company staff"

  And from there he went on to be President of Ghana. Wilson is now negotiating trade commerce with President Trump for a better Ghana.
  
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  I Wouldn’t Be Surprised If The USA Had Another Civil War!

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i have never seen this country so divided.

  something is going to give.

  they is such a lack of recognition for the law.

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  I believe in overlapping

  I can say this about my situation. I live in the U.S.A. All my non-jw family have armed themselves to the tee the past few years. Some of them have taken classes in using firearms, defense and offense tactics. Other of my uncles are retired veterans and know their stuff. They have taken me along and even paid for some of my classes but I can only see and not participate. I still need a few years before I can legally buy a pistol, and get a permit for conceal carry, but I can own one as long as I keep it home.

  I can also own my own rifles. My uncles have already bought me a Walther PPQ Q5, and I train at home with dummy rounds.I have been taught how to take the gun apart and put it back together. One of my veteran uncles taught me how to take an AR apart and put it back together. He already got me a lower receiver and wants me to start building my own AR rifle.
  

  Why? Because we expect a civil war to break out or some type of break down of sorts in our country, or at the least, our state. We are preparing ourselves. When I go out with my Uncles, to some large gathering of people, all of them conceal carry, including my aunts. None of them ever go to the movies, restaurant, some festival without their guns. All of them have trained for years. If some crazy person starts shooting people and my uncles and aunts don't get gunned down immediately, they will take that person out in seconds. They are excellent marksmen. The result of years of shooting.
  

  My dad who used to be an elder and doesn't attend anymore just bought his first gun a few months ago. He was so freaking scared, he didn't touch it for weeks and had no bullets. My uncles have been helping him.
  

  I think a civil was will break out in my time, I am still young.
  
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  No Bible = No God?

  by menrov in

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  2. bible

  some doubt about the bible completely, some partially.

  what if the bible turns out to be a product of humans, nothing divine.

  would you still believe in a creator?.

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  I believe in overlapping

  menrov

  Here is a quick view of the wasp that was either designed by a Creator or just evolved, take your pick.
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMG-LWyNcAs&t

  Or how about these animals who kill for fun, were they designed by a Creator to act this way, or did they turn bad because of "SIN?" Or is there another reason?
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0BWPCzPNk4&t
  
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  No Bible = No God?

  by menrov in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  some doubt about the bible completely, some partially.

  what if the bible turns out to be a product of humans, nothing divine.

  would you still believe in a creator?.

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  menrov said;

  I believe there is a creator, as I think that design of a living thing is too complex to just have started. But I have serious doubts about the concept of god as described in the various scriptures.

  It’s possible there was a creator. The question is, if there was, then why did he create everything? What purpose did creation serve?

  Is it possible that a creator, created everything, just because “HE COULD”? No purpose whatsoever?

  If you’ve seen the movie Prometheus, an AI Robot that was created by humans was asking a human why they wanted to meet their creators. The reply was, “To meet our makers, get answers, ask why they made us in the first place”

  The AI Robot asked the human; “Why did you people make me?”

  The Human replied; “Because we could”

  The AI Robot replied; “Can you imagine how disappointing it would be for you, to hear the same thing from your Creator?”

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRa_xmJ4zXg

  Think about reality, what we see with our eyes. The planet earth functions because the life on it is predatory. In order for life to exist, there is a food chain. Humans being on the very top, all the way down to the cell. Everything eats everything in order for life to survive. Do you enjoy a good steak, or how about some fried chicken. Then you are part of the food chain. Even if you decide to be a vegetarian, a lion will not care, and if you get in his way, you will be his dinner for the day.

  Think about what kind of Creator would deliberately design a Wasp that injects its eggs inside a caterpillar so that in a matter of days, the eggs hatch and then start eating the caterpillar from the inside out till eventually they eat their way out, but being careful not to kill the caterpillar as they burst themselves out. Once out, the caterpillar loses brain function and starts spinning a cocoon to protect the larva that breaks out of the caterpillar. There are literally hundreds of examples like this. And nowhere in the bible does it say animals are suffering as the result of man’s sin. It’s just the way they were “Designed”---or evolved.

  A wise, loving Creator could certainly do a better job in designing life without the necessary pain and suffering. Plants can grow and flourish with just soil, rain and sun.Why couldn't he design animals and humans without the pain and suffering?
  

  There is also another possibility that has to be considered if a person wants to believe in a Creator. That being that the Creator died. He was not eternal like we have been led to believe. And thus we are on our own. That would be another explanation why he has not interfered in human activities and stopped all the suffering.

  Perhaps if there was a Creator or Creators, that lived, they created successively. One dying and another replacing and finishing the work of our local physical universe.

  For example think about how many times humans started a project like the Golden Gate Bridge. The original planners and creators could easily die and another group could take over and finish the project. Perhaps something like that happened.

  It is said that in another 100 years humans will finally create life. Either Artificial machine or organic. We are already in the process of building or growing body organs. Many of the ones that started in this endeavor have died, but the project continues and new scientist and doctors pick up where the last left off.

  If we do create life, what would be the purpose—TO BE WORSHIPED---I doubt it. The reason would be simple;

  
  

  BECAUSE WE COULD CREATE!

  So it is possible that we were created by someone or the process was started by something and they died. Then another group took over and either lost interest and started another project in another part of the universe or the project continues. We personally will probably never know.

  And as hard as it is to imagine, it’s possible that all creation was created for the simple reason that;

  THEY COULD!